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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #60 - 01.05.12 at 21:13:09

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Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently
Price has nothing to do with this

I fully agree.

Perhaps I will have to have it explained to me very slowly, because I still dont understand why it will make evey testing station the same; unless they are all government run and operated.

If they are government run and operated (at a fixed price) I would have to accept no trade discount, but at least all repairing garages would be in the same position.

However, if they are privately run then there is no way price fixing would alter touting for work.

Why? Simply because you open 1 unit as a testing centre, and right next door you would open a repair centre. Different names, different business, but the same nonetheless Cheesy

I still dont understand either how a village garage doing 200 tests a year at full price would make money without other work, whereas a city centrer doing 200 tests a week at cut price could do, without the need for any other work.

The price is not relevant whatsoever. But I do accept that mot testing can be (and is) used a source of work for some.

Dont be silly .....how the hell can it not be relevant? your idea of what small country garages can earn leads me to believe that you really do not know what you are talking about.
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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #61 - 01.05.12 at 21:19:20

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Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently

Price has nothing to do with this

We are talking in general mate with all MOT stations.main dealer ones arnt typical with under charging the MOT test unless it really is a drive to get work in.
When i worked for a vauxhall dealer,we had to fill in a VCR (vehicle condition report) in addition to the actual MOT paperwork in the hope of dragging more work in.

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #62 - 02.05.12 at 14:41:38

Motmac wrote on 01.05.12 at 21:13:09:

rpm wrote on 01.05.12 at 19:37:07:

[quote author=5E7972767531292F2C2E1C0 link=1335722705/55#55 date=1335894889]Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently
Price has nothing to do with this

I fully agree.

Perhaps I will have to have it explained to me very slowly, because I still dont understand why it will make evey testing station the same; unless they are all government run and operated.

If they are government run and operated (at a fixed price) I would have to accept no trade discount, but at least all repairing garages would be in the same position.

However, if they are privately run then there is no way price fixing would alter touting for work.

Why? Simply because you open 1 unit as a testing centre, and right next door you would open a repair centre. Different names, different business, but the same nonetheless Cheesy

I still dont understand either how a village garage doing 200 tests a year at full price would make money without other work, whereas a city centrer doing 200 tests a week at cut price could do, without the need for any other work.

The price is not relevant whatsoever. But I do accept that mot testing can be (and is) used a source of work for some.

Dont be silly .....how the hell can it not be relevant? your idea of what small country garages can earn leads me to believe that you really do not know what you are talking about.
Sit back and learn my friend Wink

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Go on then, im sitting back and ready to be educated.

The 2 examples of a village mot and a city mot stations are based on 1's local to me. The basic info I gave is correct (or close enough to be).

So the village garage does around 200 tests a year at full price no discounts to anybody. He cant survive on just mots so needs other work including repairs from mot failures.

The city location 1 does around 100 tests a week at £40 to everybody, and doesnt do any repair work; he is literally just mot testing.

So the 1 charging full price neds extra work, and the 1 at cut price doesnt need any work, so explain why you feel the price (alone) is the be all and end all to making a living ?

I feel that you want a government backed system where you get easy work without any marketing of your self needed and repeat business coming in to give you a healthy living and let you keep all the profits; wheras what I prefer is a government controlled system where you are allowed to do (relatively) what you like to make a living and keep the profit.

The only way I can support a fixed price system is if it is government run and operated and all monies involved (and any profits) go into government coffers not private peoples accounts.

Keep it simple because you treat me accordingly ! Grin

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #64 - 02.05.12 at 21:30:13

rpm wrote on 02.05.12 at 14:41:38:

Motmac wrote on 01.05.12 at 21:13:09:

rpm wrote on 01.05.12 at 19:37:07:

[quote author=5E7972767531292F2C2E1C0 link=1335722705/55#55 date=1335894889]Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently
Price has nothing to do with this

I fully agree.

Perhaps I will have to have it explained to me very slowly, because I still dont understand why it will make evey testing station the same; unless they are all government run and operated.

If they are government run and operated (at a fixed price) I would have to accept no trade discount, but at least all repairing garages would be in the same position.

However, if they are privately run then there is no way price fixing would alter touting for work.

Why? Simply because you open 1 unit as a testing centre, and right next door you would open a repair centre. Different names, different business, but the same nonetheless Cheesy

I still dont understand either how a village garage doing 200 tests a year at full price would make money without other work, whereas a city centrer doing 200 tests a week at cut price could do, without the need for any other work.

The price is not relevant whatsoever. But I do accept that mot testing can be (and is) used a source of work for some.

Dont be silly .....how the hell can it not be relevant? your idea of what small country garages can earn leads me to believe that you really do not know what you are talking about.
Sit back and learn my friend Wink

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Go on then, im sitting back and ready to be educated.

The 2 examples of a village mot and a city mot stations are based on 1's local to me. The basic info I gave is correct (or close enough to be).

So the village garage does around 200 tests a year at full price no discounts to anybody. He cant survive on just mots so needs other work including repairs from mot failures.

The city location 1 does around 100 tests a week at £40 to everybody, and doesnt do any repair work; he is literally just mot testing.

So the 1 charging full price neds extra work, and the 1 at cut price doesnt need any work, so explain why you feel the price (alone) is the be all and end all to making a living ?

I feel that you want a government backed system where you get easy work without any marketing of your self needed and repeat business coming in to give you a healthy living and let you keep all the profits; wheras what I prefer is a government controlled system where you are allowed to do (relatively) what you like to make a living and keep the profit.

The only way I can support a fixed price system is if it is government run and operated and all monies involved (and any profits) go into government coffers not private peoples accounts.

Keep it simple because you treat me accordingly ! Grin

Well to start with the owner of the garage that is only doing 4 tests per week aught to shut the doors and go get a job at maccy d's Grin

Ive explained my point times many and i really cant be arsed to type it all out again....you can post the same crap as much as you like but its not going alter the thread because other people can actually read and understand very simple points Roll Eyes

posting about 1 supposed extreme does not alter the fact that most other garages are cutting each others throats in order to survive in most locations and the customer suffers as a result.

I would not be against the scheme being completely run by the government as long as i could make a decent wage out of it

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #66 - 02.05.12 at 21:51:20

Motmac wrote on 01.05.12 at 21:19:20:

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Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently

Price has nothing to do with this

We are talking in general mate with all MOT stations.main dealer ones arnt typical with under charging the MOT test unless it really is a drive to get work in.
When i worked for a vauxhall dealer,we had to fill in a VCR (vehicle condition report) in addition to the actual MOT paperwork in the hope of dragging more work in.

We are not allowed to do a VCR on a Mot test as upsell is strictly forbiden on tests by FMC.
Everything else has a VCR though, even if its just a bulb!!

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #67 - 02.05.12 at 21:51:58

Motmac wrote on 01.05.12 at 21:19:20:

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Fixing the price of the Mot would change uniform test standards slighty but I don't think to a huge degree
We have about 22 testers who all test/view items slighty differently

Price has nothing to do with this

We are talking in general mate with all MOT stations.main dealer ones arnt typical with under charging the MOT test unless it really is a drive to get work in.
When i worked for a vauxhall dealer,we had to fill in a VCR (vehicle condition report) in addition to the actual MOT paperwork in the hope of dragging more work in.

Upsell

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #68 - 02.05.12 at 22:31:11

and at last we have the answer Roll Eyes

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most other garages are cutting each others throats in order to survive in most locations and the customer suffers as a result.

I would not be against the scheme being completely run by the government as long as i could make a decent wage out of it Smiley

i truthfully dont know of a mot garage that is struggling, ok they panicked a bit when they thought they were only going to see punters every two years instead of one, and i seriously do believe that your opinion that everyone goes to the cheapest is seriously flawed, my 2nd mot man charges top price retail and £40 trade, hes not struggling at all, he has regular custom, and is constantly investing in new tools [ as we all have to ] and my 1st mot man does tests all day, massive amount they get throuigh, so theyre not struggling at all, rather tempted myself as ive said many times before, full kit warranted 5 years, class7, one man £227 a week, limited company it and if it doesnt work out in 2 years shut it down and f**k it off

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Reply #69 - 02.05.12 at 22:48:57

used car seller wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:31:11:

and at last we have the answer Roll Eyes

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most other garages are cutting each others throats in order to survive in most locations and the customer suffers as a result.

I would not be against the scheme being completely run by the government as long as i could make a decent wage out of it Smiley

i truthfully dont know of a mot garage that is struggling, ok they panicked a bit when they thought they were only going to see punters every two years instead of one, and i seriously do believe that your opinion that everyone goes to the cheapest is seriously flawed, my 2nd mot man charges top price retail and £40 trade, hes not struggling at all, he has regular custom, and is constantly investing in new tools [ as we all have to ] and my 1st mot man does tests all day, massive amount they get throuigh, so theyre not struggling at all, rather tempted myself as ive said many times before, full kit warranted 5 years, class7, one man £227 a week, limited company it and if it doesnt work out in 2 years shut it down and f**k it off

Go for it!! Wink

..report back in 2 years Roll Eyes

....thats assuming you can afford an internet connection after youve spent all your money Grin

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #70 - 02.05.12 at 22:54:38

Motmac wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:48:57:

used car seller wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:31:11:

and at last we have the answer Roll Eyes

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most other garages are cutting each others throats in order to survive in most locations and the customer suffers as a result.

I would not be against the scheme being completely run by the government as long as i could make a decent wage out of it Smiley

i truthfully dont know of a mot garage that is struggling, ok they panicked a bit when they thought they were only going to see punters every two years instead of one, and i seriously do believe that your opinion that everyone goes to the cheapest is seriously flawed, my 2nd mot man charges top price retail and £40 trade, hes not struggling at all, he has regular custom, and is constantly investing in new tools [ as we all have to ] and my 1st mot man does tests all day, massive amount they get throuigh, so theyre not struggling at all, rather tempted myself as ive said many times before, full kit warranted 5 years, class7, one man £227 a week, limited company it and if it doesnt work out in 2 years shut it down and f**k it off

Go for it!! Wink

..report back in 2 years Roll Eyes

....thats assuming you can afford an internet connection after youve spent all your money Grin

old enough now to realise its best to use other peoples money

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Reply #72 - 02.05.12 at 22:58:29

used car seller wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:54:38:

Motmac wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:48:57:

used car seller wrote on 02.05.12 at 22:31:11:

and at last we have the answer Roll Eyes

=
quote=
most other garages are cutting each others throats in order to survive in most locations and the customer suffers as a result.

I would not be against the scheme being completely run by the government as long as i could make a decent wage out of it Smiley

i truthfully dont know of a mot garage that is struggling, ok they panicked a bit when they thought they were only going to see punters every two years instead of one, and i seriously do believe that your opinion that everyone goes to the cheapest is seriously flawed, my 2nd mot man charges top price retail and £40 trade, hes not struggling at all, he has regular custom, and is constantly investing in new tools [ as we all have to ] and my 1st mot man does tests all day, massive amount they get throuigh, so theyre not struggling at all, rather tempted myself as ive said many times before, full kit warranted 5 years, class7, one man £227 a week, limited company it and if it doesnt work out in 2 years shut it down and f**k it off

Go for it!! Wink

..report back in 2 years Roll Eyes

....thats assuming you can afford an internet connection after youve spent all your money Grin

old enough now to realise its best to use other peoples money

Really? ...like i say..go for it! and report back.i really would like you to

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Re: Fixed price MOT's..
Reply #73 - 02.05.12 at 23:05:47

mot_man wrote on 02.05.12 at 21:49:31:

The question of price fixing was brought up at the last mot seminar I went to, the official line is to leave things well alone.
Vosa say we are doing tests quicker than ever before so its likely there would be a reduction in the Mot fee to reflect less time spent on doing a test should a fixed fee become mandatory.

I'd be ok with that as long as the fee was reasonable enough to make a living.
We have some places doing MOT's for £20 round here.in my opinion that just cheapens the scheme and the MOT test in the eyes of the public.

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Reply #74 - 02.05.12 at 23:39:03

It does and I've been saying that for years!
All round our way charge £40 for a test and with the exception of one (only been in business a year and not doing well) no discount to the trade.
Trade has been devaluing its self for years and needs to wake up to the fact that if it doesn't start charging more for its services garages will go to the wall.

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Reply #75 - 03.05.12 at 00:03:02

mot_man wrote on 02.05.12 at 23:39:03:

It does and I've been saying that for years!
All round our way charge £40 for a test and with the exception of one (only been in business a year and not doing well) no discount to the trade.
Trade has been devaluing its self for years and needs to wake up to the fact that if it doesn't start charging more for its services garages will go to the wall.

I agree

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Reply #76 - 03.05.12 at 18:17:24

Motmac wrote on 03.05.12 at 00:03:02:

mot_man wrote on 02.05.12 at 23:39:03:

It does and I've been saying that for years!
All round our way charge £40 for a test and with the exception of one (only been in business a year and not doing well) no discount to the trade.
Trade has been devaluing its self for years and needs to wake up to the fact that if it doesn't start charging more for its services garages will go to the wall.

I agree

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