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Reply #15 - 22.08.2008 at 21:33:48
 
Thanks for the help. A new development is that I now have P0171, P0174 and P1582. I  do have the Jaguar option on my Autoenguity so can do the tests you suggest, although I am a novice with cars generally, what is a WOT?? So far I have changed all the ingition coils and used a petrol suppliment to clean injectors. That did help a bit but the fault codes have returned and the car has generally not run wellthroughout the period of the problems. I also had a fault code on the traction control switch and a light bulbs either side of the clock have stopped working so I have eletrical faults also!!

I will try to email some screen shots from the autoenginuty I have some red boxes on the EVAP system flow checks. It also shows the freeframe data with fuel trim numbers when the faults occur.  Other than that the only other symptom is that it engine feels generally rough.

I have not looked at the spark plugs yet.

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Reply #16 - 23.08.2008 at 08:58:26
 
I would put the plugs on the last place, first check the above imo, especially since you now have the lean code on 2 banks.

With WOT I mean Wide Open Throttle, but as you now have a lean code on 2 banks I doubt it could be 1 or 2 plugs now, this was only a suggestion as you got only a lean code for one bank. It is unwise now also to drive WOT as a lean mixture is very dangerous for your engine.

Looking forward to the data, will try to help remotely, but your independent should be able to check the suggestions made before.

Andre.

PS don't drive too much now.
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Reply #17 - 27.08.2008 at 23:27:34
 
I have replaced all the coils but hadn't looked at the spark plugs as the dealer replaced them c 3 months ago. I took them out last night - see photo attached. They are shown in position of the cylinders viewed from insdie the car.

What do you reckon??? 

Two on the right side look very oily and burnt and one just burnt. 

Is the amount of oil a concern, i.e. piston rings need replaced or could failing coils have done the damage??

Does the gap look right?

Is there any way of telling if indeed the dealer did replace them c 3 months ago?

I note that they appear to have a code stamped on the metal ring, 7 match, 1 is different - the one that looks in the poorest condition (top right)??

Any comments would be appreciated.

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Reply #18 - 28.08.2008 at 09:53:04
 
See your concern about if all plugs really have been replaced, but I would not be able to give you a definitive answer there. The very white porcelain is indeed 1 indication of a lean mixture, but difficult to tell from the pictures, as one should also look at other parts of the plug, and most of the driving is in closed loop. From the looks of it, the sparkplugs would not be the core issue you have imho and in general look ok, including the gapping, with a small note that it is hard to measure exactly from the picture.

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Reply #19 - 28.08.2008 at 23:32:39
 
I replaced all the plugs today. Car seems to run fine but the fault codes persist. The pattern is still a period of restricted performance that lasts c10 mins then goes away, or if you stop and put the car into Park generally the restriced perfomance clears.  Also the hesitation under acceleration remains.......   Cry

The car is booked into a specialist on Monday, will see what happens!

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Reply #20 - 01.09.2008 at 23:16:58
 
The Jaguar specialist was not able to ID the problem, so back to square one.  The suggestion is to go back to the main dealer and get them to use their computer, I have tried a couple of time before without sucess, may try another dealership. 

In the meantime I have looked at the workshop manual which says that the fuel pressure on a supercharged car should be 5 bar (3.8 on a XK8), the autoenginuity software measures fuel pressure in psig. Looking at the internet I think that 5 bar should equal c75 psig, can anyone confirm that???   If so then this may be my issue, my car is showing c55psig. Does anyone know?

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Reply #21 - 02.09.2008 at 19:24:26
 
Jon,
1 bar is one atmosphere which is 14.7psi therefore 5 bar is 73.5psi. That could be the problem if you are only getting 55psi. Have no idea how you change the pressure though. Cheers, Roy
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Reply #22 - 03.09.2008 at 06:59:21
 
The fuel pressure should be about 3.8 to 4.2 bar for the SC version, where as the actual pressure dependant on the boost after the supercharger, as that has to be taken into account too. So the pressure sounds about right, however the sensor might not be working correctly, so it will be good imo to actually check the pressure (there is a connector on the fuel rail for this).

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Reply #23 - 08.09.2008 at 23:03:53
 
Terry  Can you offer any way of checking the fuel filter? Indeed can you tell me where it is !!  I can see the tank from the boot but can't see the filter????

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Reply #24 - 12.09.2008 at 22:55:30
 
Update

The Jaguar dealer has had the car for the last two days and cant find the problem! They have checked the fuel pressure, fuel filter, injectors, change the MAF checked for air leaks everywhere and checked all the wiring and come up with nothing. They have emailed Jaguar for help and are awaiting a reply. I have to take the car back on Monday when their head machanic will have returned from holiday so he can have a look.  So any further suggestions are welcome but this is proving difficult!

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Reply #25 - 13.09.2008 at 13:13:54
 
Getting more difficult indeed.

Have they done something regarding possible fuel injector restriction?

If all that is done and found right, I think it would be interesting to know if whilst having the engine under some load  and still closed loop (as it doesn't appear when running in idle) to check the lambda values with a external meter. If these values are the same as what it should be, you can take the conclusion that the O2 sensors and the ECU are at least working/reacting right. And then I would still keep my bets on fuel delivery.

If it is off, then of course there is either an air leak before the O2 sensor (or o2 sensors not fitted right?)  or the ECU isn't getting the right info/isn't working right. But it will depend a little on the outcome of the Lambda test.

The above could be done for instance on a Dyno.

Just a thought,

After this more unlikey things could cause this all. For instance, it is far fetched, there could also be an ECU issue. I have heard of some going bad, but these where the older pre 2000 4.0 cars.

Maybe reprogramming of the ECU might be a thought, is cheap, and who knows what has been done to the car/ECU before. At least you ensure you have a clean program where at least Jaguar is sure of is right.

Next, incomplete burning or issues with engine timing for instance.

Thats it for now with ideas,
Andre.
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Reply #26 - 20.09.2008 at 22:12:03
 
I pick up the car today and it seems to be fine!!!! At last,I hope this will be the end of the issues. They replaced the lambda sensors, the fuel filter and then a thermostat. I took it out for a drive today and it is running perfectly. Thanks to all for the suggestions. I hope only to be reporting good news from now on!
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Reply #27 - 06.07.2010 at 12:09:46
 
Thread resurection! I am having a similar issue with my xk8. If I was say driving along at around 10 mph, then hit the throttle hard (possibly not full throttle) then the car seems to stutter before continuing on as normal. Sometimes it will stutter 3 times as it moves through the rev range. If it stutters badly enough it puts the car into its failsafe mode. Shutting off and restarting doesnt clear it, but I have found that if I shut off, remove the lid from the coolant header tank under the bonnet and then restart it is fine, seems like there is a build up of pressure, but could be coincidence. Car also reports low coolant level, although the coolant level is not low - i think this is just a dodgy sensor but i guess it could be related. I am looking at doing a coolant change, thermostat and fuel filter. If the lambda sensor isnt too expensive i may do that as well, although the car just went through its MOT and the emissions looked fine - and i would think that they would show up a lambda issue.

Anyway, i would like to see (if your still around) if your issue is definately gone?
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Reply #28 - 07.11.2010 at 22:35:41
 
Hi - Pleased to say that I havn't had any issues with the car since that time, running great. I did have to replace the subframe at the last MOT but that was fine. It's far easier to ID rust!!

I have also now bought a S1 67 E-Type 2+2, which is fantastic - I drove it 600 miles the day I got it and it didnt miss a beat, more reliable that the XKR in the early days!

Good luck with finding the fault.

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Reply #29 - 08.11.2010 at 14:01:30
 
I have read that partially blocked fuel filters are the root cause of many a difficult to trace problem. It is not uncommon for garages to have ignored replacing them at the specified intervals even when car has FSH.
Perhaps ypu could post the bill for all this work?
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