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Rolys mk10 Senior Member Offline BI-POLAR gone "tits up" Posts: 7384 forest of dean.glou/mon border Gender:	jagbreakers.org 24.09.2008 at 17:49:18 My apologies. For my defamatory remarks.
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Reply #1 - 25.09.2008 at 13:02:00

Hi Roly, As indicated by me and now Matt Skelton, you have nothing to apologise for. In fact, Kelsey's initial reaction was that you (and others) were entitled to air your views. It is only on reflection and after referring it that they have decided to err on the side of caution.
As you now know, the matter is under investigation. We'll wait and see what the result might be. Regards, Archie.

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Reply #2 - 29.09.2008 at 19:13:06

I think the answer is to have a new board for Jaguar parts and service providers where a thread can be started under the heading of the service provider i.e. XJ Restorations and forum members can then post feedback on their experiences with the named provider good or bad. This would be a very democratic way of doing things, which would allow members to give personal opinions, and if all members resist the urge to debate or discuss a posting then it will serve as useful source of information for all when looking for parts and services. If we take Jag Breakers for example I have ordered a number of parts from them recently and have received reasonably priced items all in excellent condition, I have at times had to chase up a few orders that were expected by a certain time but it must be taken into consideration that despite having a lot of common parts already removed they are not really an off the shelf provider and sometimes the most suitable part may take time to remove from a car. Would I use Jag Breakers again, well the answer is yes as I have ordered another item today.
I do remember reading some comments by members that had some bad experiences with them but cannot recall any details regarding what Roly had posted however I feel very strongly about the freedom of speech and Roly should be entitled to his opinions. It’s a shame that he and others have had some bad experiences as I am sure there are many out there who have had a positive experience, that’s why I think a new board would be a perfect way for members to post feedback good or bad and as long as its left at that and not dragged out into a online saga. On many shopping sites you can read customer product reviews both positive and negative which can be helpful, as long as you remember that its just personal opinion. I also feel that the business named can benefit from this, as it will provide beneficial customer feedback to help improve their services.

Below are a number of Jaguar parts and service providers which I have had positive dealings with over the years:

David Manners
SNG Barratt
JDHT
Wynn Thomas
Jag Breakers
Woolies
Ward Engineering

I have not yet used the services of XJ Restorations but despite being a bit further a field I would based on the comments on this forum and the work displayed both on this forum and their website.

To conclude ad the new board its not difficult.

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Reply #3 - 29.09.2008 at 19:41:55

I see the potential for serious problems.

Such "reviews" often turn into little more than the public airing of business disputes. Since the vendors seldom know they are being reviewed, their side of the story (and there are ALWAYS two sides to a story) is never heard, thus turning the board into a one-sided consumer complaint department. This would be grossly unfair and possibly bring on some legal issues based on "defamation"....don't laugh, its has happened.

Better to insist that only good experiences are listed and discussed. If word about this spreads then the last thing a vendor will want is to be left off the "good guy list".

Cheers
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Rolys mk10 Senior Member Offline BI-POLAR gone "tits up" Posts: 7384 forest of dean.glou/mon border Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #4 - 03.11.2008 at 15:46:59 I see the ad has gone.
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ng4xjs Senior Member Offline Posts: 1472 Kent Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #5 - 03.11.2008 at 17:43:36 Maybe so Roly but it is on the front page! Nick
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Rolys mk10 Senior Member Offline BI-POLAR gone "tits up" Posts: 7384 forest of dean.glou/mon border Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #6 - 20.11.2008 at 12:04:00 ng4xjs wrote on 03.11.2008 at 17:43:36: Maybe so Roly but it is on the front page! Nick Well at leaset they are not on the forum Nick
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Reply #7 - 24.12.2008 at 01:44:12

2jagsDoug wrote on 29.09.2008 at 19:41:55:

Better to insist that only good experiences are listed and discussed. If word about this spreads then the last thing a vendor will want is to be left off the "good guy list".

Cheers
DD

No way - if you don't allow negative comment, then positive comment may create a misleading impression. All or nothing.

Traders are free to sign up and defend themselves and can be automatically notified every time a comment is made.

PS: I'd love to know what Roly said.

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Reply #8 - 24.12.2008 at 01:59:41

richard_moss wrote on 24.12.2008 at 01:44:12:

2jagsDoug wrote on 29.09.2008 at 19:41:55:

Better to insist that only good experiences are listed and discussed. If word about this spreads then the last thing a vendor will want is to be left off the "good guy list".

Cheers
DD

No way - if you don't allow negative comment, then positive comment may create a misleading impression. All or nothing.

Traders are free to sign up and defend themselves and can be automatically notified every time a comment is made.

PS: I'd love to know what Roly said.

Yeah, then the forum turns into some sort of consumer grievance board, with people fighting, taking sides, etc. I've seen it. Its ugly !

Cheers
DD

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richard_moss Senior Member Offline Posts: 786 Wolverhampton Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #9 - 24.12.2008 at 11:24:05 If moderated correctly, it works well. If the moderators don't do their "job" properly then it can get messy.
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preHEstoric Senior Member Offline My word is my bond. Posts: 1915 Cheshire, UK Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #10 - 09.01.2009 at 20:38:13 Anyone remember that Rust Proofer we had on here?
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apax Senior Member Offline Aged to perfection! Posts: 4376 Heathfield, East Sussex Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #11 - 10.01.2009 at 12:18:35 Ah yes, I remember him well! Will always be a 'remembered pain' from my pre Mod days! Cheers, apax.
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Rolys mk10 Senior Member Offline BI-POLAR gone "tits up" Posts: 7384 forest of dean.glou/mon border Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #12 - 10.01.2009 at 18:21:39 apax wrote on 10.01.2009 at 12:18:35: Ah yes, I remember him well! Will always be a 'remembered pain' from my pre Mod days! Cheers, apax. I did wonder what preHE was on about. Now I know...must have been before my time on here then.
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apax Senior Member Offline Aged to perfection! Posts: 4376 Heathfield, East Sussex Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #13 - 10.01.2009 at 22:31:55 Only just Roly, and you've since read the 'Waxoyling' thread. Cheers, apax.
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Rolys mk10 Senior Member Offline BI-POLAR gone "tits up" Posts: 7384 forest of dean.glou/mon border Gender:	Re: jagbreakers.org Reply #14 - 11.01.2009 at 11:54:48 apax wrote on 10.01.2009 at 22:31:55: Only just Roly, and you've since read the 'Waxoyling' thread. Cheers, apax. Archie, Is this the one where you took your car into be done and it was booked in but it all went pear shaped?? I seem to remember that.
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