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Intermittent fault - very annoying!
23.01.2010 at 09:54:46
 
My 1994 Xj40 3.2 auto has developed a very annoying fault. The car always starts first time, but a mile or 2 down the road, usually when i'm in rush hour traffic, the car stalls or struggles then stalls, when I take foot off brake and accelerate to move off. Basically the car will idle fine, but when i press the accelerator to move of it will struggle as if out of fuel and stall. It kept doing this in rush hour traffic last night and I could not get home so had to call out the RAC. They had no idea what it could be and have taken the car to my local garage, who this morning said they can't find the problem as the car started fine. Problem is this fault is intermittent. does anyone have any ideas, I am distraught at my Jag being off the road.
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Reply #1 - 23.01.2010 at 10:13:16
 
I would have a check around the engine for vacuum pipes that may have come off or have a hole in them. Then maybe air filter and clean the related sensors in the air intake etc. Undecided
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Reply #2 - 23.01.2010 at 10:49:29
 
- Dirty/clogged fuel filter?
- Fuel pump on the way out?
- Could a dirty throttle body cause this?
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Reply #3 - 23.01.2010 at 20:17:15
 
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Could a dirty throttle body cause this?


A dirty throttle body certainly used to cause my 1994 3.2 to drop to a very low idle, briefly, when I stopped in traffic. I was always worried it would stall. Cleaning the throttle body opening and all the air intake pipes cured it. Worth a shot, would also be a good opportunity to check the condition of the vacuum pipes as Roly suggested. Hope you get it sorted.
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Reply #4 - 25.01.2010 at 11:30:05
 
Very occasionally I had a stall when pulling away. It would take an age (5 to 15 mins) before the engine would decide to fire again. Got my specialist to give the throttle body a good clean and have not had a recurrence since. That was 6 months ago but as it only happened a couple of times a year I might be premature in my confidence!  Smiley
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Reply #5 - 25.01.2010 at 22:31:05
 
Thanks for all the replies. I have changed the fuel filter already. I've asked the garage to clean the throttle body and check for any vaccuum leaks. The air filter is an after market K&N that was on when I bought the car last year, it still looks quite new, so should not need cleaning. I really hope they can fix this, the garage owner seems convinced there is no problem, which is frustrating as I know there is and I don't want the car back without it being fixed. Any more ideas are welcome.
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Reply #6 - 26.01.2010 at 12:26:38
 
Suspect the throttle position sensor as the fault occurs just as you apply throttle.
Consider an ignition fault, coil tower tracking, faulty coil or ignition amplifier. sometimes this occurs as ingnition load increases particulary as the throttle is opened at low RPM.
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Reply #7 - 26.01.2010 at 20:27:04
 
Had the car back from the garage, they say they have done the throttle body and it is fixed. I have been on a short 5 mile test drive and all was well, so hope it will be ok from now on.  Many thanks for all the friendly help and advice, this is a great forum btw.
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Reply #8 - 28.01.2010 at 14:16:54
 
Glad to hear your problem is fixed. Perhaps you could find out and post exactly what they did to your throttle body.
Just a bit curious because even a completely clogged throttle body should not cause the car to stall because of the idle speed control valve bypassing the throttle body. It may be your idle speed control valve is clogged or a bit out of adjustment and a well funtioning throttle body perhaps with a larger than intended throttle body clearance is masking this.
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Reply #9 - 02.02.2010 at 17:16:58
 
I have driven about 40 miles in the car now since it reurned from the garage and the problem has not reccured. However, as it was intermittent before, I won't have full confidence until i've done a few hundred miles more. Apprarently the garage cleaned the throttle body, the MAF and checked the connections to some of the sensors, so I guess any one of those things may have been the fix. Although, it is running ok now, I have noticed that when coming to a stop at a junction the revs dip lower than they used to, like I say I am not totally confident the problem has been sorted.
I have noticed that the earth strap to the bonnet has completely frayed through and also teh earth from the engin to the body looks very frayed and weak, could a bad erath cause the intermittent cutting out? Also, could this be the cause of my heater being intermittent blowing hot?
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Reply #10 - 03.02.2010 at 10:40:01
 
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I have noticed that the earth strap to the bonnet has completely frayed through and also teh earth from the engin to the body looks very frayed and weak, could a bad erath cause the intermittent cutting out? Also, could this be the cause of my heater being intermittent blowing hot?


It's difficult to say but dodgy earth leads won't help keep the car's electrics in good order. I'd replace them anyway - at least you'll have peace of mind and you might find that some gremlins are miraculously cured.  Wink Smiley
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Reply #11 - 04.02.2010 at 08:14:39
 
During reading this post you said the garage cleaned the throttle body, bet they did not remove the ISCV valve and clean it or ensure the TPS sensor was removed and cleaned with contact clean, the TPS is not water proof i found out the hard way when cleaning my throttle body, as you have stated that the revs are now lower, can i make a suggestion, clear pipes away from the ISCV valve and remove the 2 screws that hold it in place, DO NOT TURN ON THE IGNITION, remove and clean with clutch and brake cleaner to break down any carbon deposits, do this several times to clean the internal workings, clean the seat that is in the body use Q tips to get in there, it may sound like an over kill but time spent hear will work.
Reassemble to body reconnect harness clean contacts first and try, it will have cost you £4-00 for the cleaner and 1 hours time.
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Reply #12 - 04.02.2010 at 14:54:54
 
Following if fault re occurs
Check the security of the connection to your coolnt temp sensor - even consider swapping CTS for a known good one.
Air flow meter - check the contacvts where it plugs in are clean and making good connection.
Only way to be sure of above is to back probe at ECU and use an oscilloscope.
May just be worth easing your ECU connections in and out a bit and checking ECU erth.
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