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Reply #15 - 08.02.2010 at 12:23:39
 
High hydrocarbons (HC) is almost certainly unburnt fuel. It does not mean there is anything wrong with the cat (will burn cat out if keep running at that HC reading though). It is usually caused by a misfire or incomplete combustion, suspect faulty plugs, air leak in inlt manifold etc.
Back to the topic of correct oil. Do not extend oil change intervals even if the oil says so. Modern oils may well retain their lubrication properties in a modern engine designed to run with them, but with an older engine the good lubricant will soon be contaminated with combustion products, abrasive particles from the air, condensation and wear particles. Nothing wrong with Motul synthetic oils but for road use probably better to use cheaper semi synth and change more often.
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Reply #16 - 08.02.2010 at 18:58:52
 
For my XJ40 (AJ6, predecesor to the AJ16), Jaguar recommends various oils for a various ambient temperature ranges.  I am using semi synthetic at the moment, don't remember the viscosity (will have to change the oil after my trip to Paris next week thou  Undecided ).  I think I will go for a 10W40 semi synthetic.

I tried synthetic 5W30 in my wifes old Peugeot 405 turbo diesel: the smell is not great, may go for semi-synthetic on the next change!  However, being a turbo diesel and subject to continous cold starts, I have to care about the turbo  Shocked , so will stick with a low viscosity oil for that car anyway.

I have never tried all-synthetic in the Jaguar, and at those prices may never give it a go anyway  Grin  Cheesy (is 8 litres, not 4-5!!!)  Shocked

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Reply #17 - 09.02.2010 at 00:38:00
 
XJ40S wrote on 08.02.2010 at 12:23:39:
Modern oils may well retain their lubrication properties in a modern engine designed to run with them, but with an older engine the good lubricant will soon be contaminated with combustion products....


I don't know what is supposed to be old about the XJ40 engine.
It's a thoroughly modern design, like the K series from Rover, just that was put together by apes.

The Jag engine is a lot more difficult to put together badly than a K though (fortunately), but has the same head gasket incontinence.

AJ6 has an excellent oil control ring design but nearly of them by now have blow by and signs of wear in the valve gear.

It's never been the fault of the oil, and I've run on full synthetic for years....in fact they will run on just about anything without wearing stuff out, and always have good oil pressure.

What's the problem???
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Reply #18 - 09.02.2010 at 12:25:52
 
The problem is your lack of knowledge.
Xj40 engines suffer from condenation in particular (mayonaise) in filler cap. No matter how good a lubricant race spec motul oil is you should not extend the drain intervals because the anti oxidant and anti sludge package in the oil will be exhausted long before it looses its lubrication properties. These contaminents clog up the crank case ventilation system in particular.
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Reply #19 - 09.02.2010 at 21:36:20
 
XJ40S wrote on 09.02.2010 at 12:25:52:
The problem is your lack of knowledge.
Xj40 engines suffer from condenation in particular (mayonaise) in filler cap.
No matter how good a lubricant race spec motul oil is you should not extend the drain intervals because the anti oxidant and anti sludge package...


No knowledge eh?
Maybe your mayonaise is coming as usual from your leaky head gasket.
Jaguar NEVER ever solved this problem.

I did, and I don't have the problem you describe any more, even at CR of 11:1 and 35C summer days at a constant 120mph+.
Mine has perfectly clean oil and never suffers from any form of sludge.

Perhaps you should think before you use the computer keyboard?
Some of us are not nearly so inept or unable to find solutions to problems as all that.
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Reply #20 - 09.02.2010 at 22:10:41
 
Why is it every thread including multivalve ends up as a slanging match ? His opinion is as valid as the next mans, although I must admit I don't agree with his tone. Perhaps we should all show a bit of decorum, after all, most of us are polite to each other, and if that doesn't work,
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Reply #21 - 10.02.2010 at 00:19:30
 
And as the OP I'm none the wiser! Rather than fuelling a debate (oil seems to do this for some reason) I'd be pleased to hear what you use in your X300 XJR Supercharged AJ16 engines. I think it boils down to 5-30 or 10-40 semi, and as its a "performance" engine 5-30 seems the way to go from research I've done elsewhere. Regards, Chris.
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Reply #22 - 10.02.2010 at 09:44:45
 
Look.
What sort of problem is this?

People seem wedded to some Nostalgia about "my darling Jag must be treated so carefully because it's an old classic".
This is BS.

The one GOOD thing Jaguar did when they put that terrific slant 6 engine was to put a fantastic modern power plant in there that could be driven really hard, and would never go wrong.
The only thing that mystifies me, is why they chose to do away with the oil cooler!
(I always retro fit one, because weather on the continent is hotter).

Jaguar totally failed when they made the V8 that followed it, and engine that has had non stop problems from the outset with premature wear and valve gear that is a total disaster.
I wouldn't own one if you paid me!

I know you may not like my opinions, but a Jaguar is not an idol. It's a car like any other with weaknesses and strengths like any other  (and how!)

You should use modern semi synth or full synth oils in that engine, and it will go on for ever (esp the X300 variant).

I don't know of any modern petrol engine that lasts as long as the X300, so it could be considered as a major unsung success story.

At the end of the day nobody cares because cars are no longer designed to last 20 years.
That was the strength of the Jaguar, Audi and Volvo marques.
Make of it what you like.
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Reply #23 - 10.02.2010 at 14:50:31
 
I used to have the mayonnaise problem on my '40 every winter. It certainly wasn't head gasket failure, it never used a drop of coolant in the 7 years I owned it. It was cold air and condensation on the remote oil filler tube, I think that's why Jag decided to incorporate the filler cap on the cam cover on later models.
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Reply #24 - 10.02.2010 at 16:49:27
 
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829
Put you registration number in at the above link and then post what comes up for us all to see.
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Reply #25 - 10.02.2010 at 18:18:26
 
XJ40S wrote on 10.02.2010 at 16:49:27:
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829
Put you registration number in at the above link and then post what comes up for us all to see.
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Reply #26 - 10.02.2010 at 18:34:41
 
optimus prime wrote on 10.02.2010 at 18:18:26:
XJ40S wrote on 10.02.2010 at 16:49:27:
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829
Put you registration number in at the above link and then post what comes up for us all to see.
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It came up with the wrong oil for mine  Shocked 0W30 it recommends, when Castrol itself make a 5W30 specifically for my engine
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Reply #27 - 10.02.2010 at 21:01:43
 
0w30 is not so much the wrong oil as a different oil to your cars spec and probably the best option in castrols opinion.
My guess is your 5w30 is a semi synthetic and the 0w30 is a full synthetic giving less drag especially when cold and improving fuel consumption.
0w30 probably quite a bit more expensive than 5w30.
Chris (#21) has indeed got a bit more than he bargained for on this thread. On your xjr I would be inclined to use 10w40. It will offer better high temperature protection than an equivalent 5w30. The second figure the 30 or 40 is the measure of viscosity at 100 degrees C.
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Reply #28 - 10.02.2010 at 21:16:26
 
Well after a good bit of deliberation and a lot of advice, I've plumped for Redline high performance fully synthetic 10W 40. I'll be flushing out the crankcase filter as well. I'll keep you posted.
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Reply #29 - 11.02.2010 at 06:34:25
 
Sockets wrote on 10.02.2010 at 14:50:31:
I used to have the mayonnaise problem on my '40 every winter. It certainly wasn't head gasket failure, it never used a drop of coolant in the 7 years I owned it. It was cold air and condensation on the remote oil filler tube, I think that's why Jag decided to incorporate the filler cap on the cam cover on later models.



I've seen this on many different cars, especially those used for short-ish runs where not enough engine heat builds up to burn off the condensation. An hour at highway speed clears it right up.

And, yes, remote filler tubes are especially prone, as they are exposed to less engine heat

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