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03.10.2011 at 09:56:20
 
Every now and then I get the urge to move on from an XJ40 and buy a X308 LWB Sovereign. I picked out a couple on Autotrader and set off to look at them yesterday.
First one a Dark blue 2001 model at Keighly trade centre for £1,875 with about 140k miles. The saleman was willing but the car had a flat battery and had to be started with a power pack, engine smooth and quiet. Then the drawback - a quick look underneath revealed major rust - I could put my hand through the floor in several places.
On to car 2, A 1999 silver car with 121k for £2,295 at Jaggers in Bradford, by now it was drizzling and I did not fancy laying on the ground but a quick run of the hand along the lower sill seam revealed a fair bit of rust. A glance in the engine bay showed significant corrosion where to subframe mounts join chassis. Then I shone a torch through the wheel spokes to look at the outside of the same area - it looked as of an alien had burst out through the metal.
It makes me really sad that Jaguar let down these beautiful cars by skimping on corrosion protection. It also annoys me that dealers continue to try to sell cars that are not fit to pass an MOT.
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Reply #1 - 03.10.2011 at 10:42:57
 
Not being a fan of what I feel is largely irrelevant technology, I wonder why you're not looking at X300s? Less rust and simpler technology.
But then again I'm drawn to 308s!! Cheers, apax.
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Reply #2 - 03.10.2011 at 11:00:44
 
I just slightly fancy a V8, but I would not rule out a good X300LWB if one came along.
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Reply #3 - 03.10.2011 at 22:12:48
 
What is the problem here?

Just spend some time and find a good one.  Sad
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Reply #4 - 03.10.2011 at 23:42:14
 
SV8Predator wrote on 03.10.2011 at 22:12:48:
What is the problem here?

Just spend some time and find a good one.  Sad

There are no good ones... Better a good xj40.
The jag V8 was not exactly a muscle car but a rust box.

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Reply #5 - 04.10.2011 at 11:53:29
 
Hi there SV8 - you are clearly an optimist Smiley
I am beginning to come round to Geoffs point of view. Over the past couple of years I have probably travelled about 1000 miles to look at 15 or so cars ranging from under £2000 to over £4000 dissapointingly even the more expensive cars have some rust, some had camchain or warning light problems. I am beginning to think leave it a while and then go X350.
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XJ40S wrote on 04.10.2011 at 11:53:29:
I am beginning to think leave it a while and then go X350.


Reading about the X350 on the other forums and they seem to lots of problems with corrosion of the alloy body. Jag seem to be rectifying it and repainting if the customers complain but how long the repair work will last is anyone's guess.
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Reply #7 - 04.10.2011 at 16:23:58
 
Go for an X300, mine is totaly reliable, no rust to sills or wheel arches, in fact the only rust at all is a blister around the front screen pillar. The interior is as new and it has a bomb proof engine, the only way I will part with it is for an XJR 6 I've looked at a few, but so far haven't found a rust free one, still like the 40, but they suffered from rust, bulkhead, boot lid, sills, screen pillars. Have driven a few XJ8 and liked them, but are too prone to expensive problems eg timing chains and tensioners.



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Reply #8 - 05.10.2011 at 21:50:13
 
there is plenty of good clean v8 xjs out there .you got to remeber that the newest car is over 10 years old now so you can expect some rust .ive had 2 v8s and the only problem iv had with them is tyres and batterys .ive also seen a fare few x300s with very bad body probs and tired interiors.the x308 has a far nicer interior and is better to drive over all
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M80XJR wrote on 05.10.2011 at 21:50:13:
the x308 has a far nicer interior and is better to drive over all


And so say all of us!
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Reply #10 - 08.10.2011 at 09:16:20
 
SV8Predator wrote on 07.10.2011 at 19:23:18:
M80XJR wrote on 05.10.2011 at 21:50:13:
the x308 has a far nicer interior and is better to drive over all


And so say all of us!

"so say you...you mean..... i don't like em".give me a good ole 93/94 xj40 with rusty floors,bulkhead etc anytime''''' no need for air/con with all those holes... just a raincoat or leathers.

now an earlier xj40...."thats a different matter..there tasty tasty very very tasty.. and I prefer that model to the V8.unless of course you change the engine for a nice big yankee v8 Wink
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Reply #11 - 09.10.2011 at 22:33:42
 
i like big yank v8s in the correct car jaguars have smooth quiet v8s not brutal noisy v8 s
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Reply #12 - 10.10.2011 at 16:26:15
 
M80XJR wrote on 09.10.2011 at 22:33:42:
i like big yank v8s in the correct car jaguars have smooth quiet v8s not brutal noisy v8 s

just it.. would prefer a nice big throbby v8 in a jag.one that barks when you floor it and sounds like a V8. Wink
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Reply #13 - 10.10.2011 at 21:41:39
 
you buy a v12 xj  if you want noise and power  Wink
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Reply #14 - 11.10.2011 at 09:09:02
 
M80XJR wrote on 10.10.2011 at 21:41:39:
you buy a v12 xj  if you want noise and power  Wink

trouble is the v12 is too smooth and has no "throb". Smiley
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i have a xj81....that is a V12. Wink Wink
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Reply #16 - 21.10.2011 at 23:02:54
 
I would like to jump in here , I have owned my 2001 XJ8 LWB Sovereign  for 5 years now and have not had or found any of these problems being mentioned about body work and timing chains so far .

The car did suffer a throttle body and alternator problem and the odd bush renewal but thats about it in 5 years of daily use , so there are  good ones out there you just have to keep looking . 

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Reply #17 - 23.10.2011 at 20:48:58
 
very true there is some rubbish out there
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Reply #18 - 23.10.2011 at 20:56:52
 
If a V12 Jags throbs and makes a lot of noise you have serious problems. Engine refined, quiet and knows how to deliver fantastic performance.

If you want high reving, noisy, show off throbby stuff go and get something like an Imprezza
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Jacqueline wrote on 23.10.2011 at 20:56:52:
If a V12 Jags throbs and makes a lot of noise you have serious problems. Engine refined, quiet and knows how to deliver fantastic performance.

If you want high reving, noisy, show off throbby stuff go and get something like an Imprezza


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Reply #20 - 05.11.2011 at 08:57:53
 
[quote author=6F6B636B7A6D6F62686B0E0 link=1317632180/0#0 date=1317632180]Every now and then I get the urge to move on from an XJ40 and buy a X308 LWB Sovereign. I picked out a couple on Autotrader and set off to look at them yesterday.....>>>>>

I have never heard so much bullshit in all my days!!

This just means you are picking on the worst uncared for examples.....wine tatsets on a beer budget.
These cars are very well protected...it's quite obvious that the examples tested have never seen a decent wash in their lives and have been driven on endless salted roads without ever being cleaned properly underneath.
For God's sake...go to a respectable dealer and buy a GOOD car!!

And why the hell would you waste momney on a 16 year old dinasour with dodgy electrics!

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Reply #21 - 17.11.2011 at 13:48:51
 
You really should come to the UK and look over a few cars before mouthing off so much. There is no bullshit in my post at all - it is fact. The cars I referred to are still on the forecourts and this suggests that others are finding the faults as easily as I did. I have also looked over cars at "reputable" Grin dealers at three times these prices only to find they also had faults they should not have, including MOT failure rust where front subframe mounts.
UK law (sale of goods act 1974) states "goods must be of merchanable quality and fit for the purpose for which they are sold". These cars are being offered for sale for use on UK roads and the dealers are clearly in breach of the law because they are not fit for that purpose because they cannot pass an MOT.
The cars are clearly not well protected (not enough for typical northern UK conditions). The front subframe mount area is particularly prone to rust partially because of thermal cycling due to the close proximity of the unshielded exhaust manifolds.
As for the dinosaur comment - well that could be aplied to any old jag - including the E type but to the enthusiast it is of no consequence at all.
I would say on the whole Xj40s have no more electrical trouble than the V8s and are usually a lot cheaper and easier to fix.
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Reply #22 - 18.11.2011 at 21:59:02
 
there is plenty of good x308 xjs out there remeber that the youngest is now 10 + years old so they will have some rust .my xjr has some rust even though its been very well looked after .
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Reply #23 - 20.11.2011 at 00:13:58
 
I agree that rust is an issue. My x300 had rust all along the underside of the cills. The rear arches are a notorious weak point. By comparison, I'm currently running an 11 yr old old Mitsubishi and that has almost no rust at all.

I don't agree that dealers have the best cars. Infact, I would want to avoid buying from a dealer. With older cars they have limited knowledge about what they are selling and they often don't have the best cars anyway, they rely on people thinking they are getting a top dollar car for a top dollar price, which is often not the case. As for refering to a 16 year old dinosaur with dodgy electrics, I think you are confusing the xj40 and the x300.
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Reply #24 - 20.11.2011 at 14:22:00
 
In saying "dealer" are we talking about an actual franchised Jaguar dealer or a independant with a corner lot made from a deserted gasoline station?

Not that it's carved in granite but here in the 'States a franchised dealer generally does have the better used cars where the independant is more likely to have the ratty ones. In fact, an independant's inventory is often made up of trade-ins that the franchise dealer rejected as not good enough for sale on their own used car lot.

That said we do have some specialty independants who select and sell only extra nice examples.

When I'm shopping for a used car, Jag or otherwise, I'm looking for the right car, not the right seller. I'm not willing to summarily dismess dealerships as that does nothing but limit choices and selection.

But, as I say, nothing is carved in granite. No matter where you buy you should do your homework first so you know what to look for and what questions to ask.

Of my three Jags two have been bought at independant used car dealers and one from a private individual. The fact is, the two dealership cars were much better than the one I bought from a private party....but I blame myself for that. The private party deal was one where I let my heart overtake my brain.

Just my 2-cents   Smiley

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Reply #25 - 21.11.2011 at 09:53:02
 
There may be some good X308s out there but I suspect people are hanging onto them. All those I have looked at from private to independants (non of the main dealer have cars this old) have some drawback that in my view prevents them being worth the asking price. A good prportion of them are for sale I suspect because of a number of advisors on MOTs that are going to be expensive to fix. I think unfortunately very nearly all these cars are now suffering significant extensive corrosion which occurs irrespective of the the level of care, much like the  type sill problem.
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money_one_four wrote on 21.10.2011 at 23:02:54:
I would like to jump in here , I have owned my 2001 XJ8 LWB Sovereign  for 5 years now and have not had or found any of these problems being mentioned about body work and timing chains so far .

The car did suffer a throttle body and alternator problem and the odd bush renewal but that's about it in 5 years of daily use , so there are  good ones out there you just have to keep looking . 

Al .


Why can't I keep my big mouth shut  Lips Sealed , not long after this was posted the timing chain tensioner broke  Cry  God have mercy on my sole and pocket .

He couldn't have heard me ,back on the road now minus a hefty chunk of wedge .

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money_one_four wrote on 22.11.2011 at 02:33:25:
money_one_four wrote on 21.10.2011 at 23:02:54:
I would like to jump in here , I have owned my 2001 XJ8 LWB Sovereign  for 5 years now and have not had or found any of these problems being mentioned about body work and timing chains so far .

The car did suffer a throttle body and alternator problem and the odd bush renewal but that's about it in 5 years of daily use , so there are  good ones out there you just have to keep looking . 

Al .


Why can't I keep my big mouth shut  Lips Sealed , not long after this was posted the timing chain tensioner broke  Cry  God have mercy on my sole and pocket .

He couldn't have heard me ,back on the road now minus a hefty chunk of wedge .

Al .


What was the damage to the engine Al?
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Reply #28 - 22.11.2011 at 11:31:13
 
I must admit I do fancy a V8, had loads of yanks in the 70 & 80's, but am put off by the poor rep of the 308, not just the engine probs, but the other changes like front wheel brgs, simple job on a X300 £15 for bearing and an hour to fit, on a X308 £50 for bearing and you need special tools to strip and rebuild. I think the X300 was the last of the DIY Jags. As to corrosion problems my 1997 3.2 has rust free sills and wheel arches, the car is not garaged, but is put up on a ramp 3/4 times a year and any flaking underseal re-treated and arches cleaned down, not with a pressure washer. Also I like to be able to change auto box fluid and filter, not an easy job on X308.

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money_one_four wrote on 21.10.2011 at 23:02:54:
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SV8Predator wrote on 22.11.2011 at 23:14:02:
money_one_four wrote on 21.10.2011 at 23:02:54:
Cry  God have mercy on my sole


There's something fishy going on here. . .  Roll Eyes

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